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David Yang

I Think I Want To Go Burn A Church Down Now

by David Yang []
Published on 13/8/07 in Culture
Personally, it's not God I can't stand, it's his fan club.
The other day, a friend of mine and I were having some light conversation online when she forwarded to me a "Christian" site I might've found some amusement in.

For a little background on myself, I'm an Atheist. Born and raised that way, and I don't believe I'll ever change. (But don't quote me on that, one of my friends says I shouldn't completely alienate anything in the event that I might regret it in the future. Nonetheless, it's unlikely.) Loads of my friends are Christian or Jewish and loads of them have also tried converting me. Actually, just the Christian ones, but it hasn't worked so far. The only religious interests I have are with the satirical religions within Atheism, i.e. the Invisible Pink Unicorn. I have nothing against people who do have faith, of course. I just can't find it in myself to believe in a being who watches over everybody and is content with damning some of his children to burn in hell forever.

Back to the story. The first site she sent me was this, a site for very young Christian children. I'd like everybody reading this to take a minute and go over it (and this is a serious site, from what I've been told). Explore the little flash thingies. I found the "Kanga-Jew," "Creation Science Fun Facts," and "Spiritual Safety Tips" to be the main source of bullshit.

The Kanga-Jew
Okay, that's just hateful. Mind you, this site is created for kids who have only begun to grasp the idea of religion. Of course, it hasn't mentioned anything YET about the conflicts with the Jews and Jesus, but in good time I don't doubt they'll add a picture of that Kanga-Jew stabbing Jesus on his cross.

Creation Science Fun Facts
Pretty much everything in here is pure bullshit. Here's a list of my answers to those questions:
  • Fact 1: No, dinosaurs have been dead for quite a while as far as science can prove. Oh, but who am I to question your morals? Hey, dinosaurs could be alive somewhere on the Earth. Maybe in a little island people would call Jurassic Park. No wait, that was a fucking movie. And last time we checked with any scientist, the earth was created 4.57 billion years ago. Sort of a big jump from 10 thousand years.
  • Fact 2: Because of EVOLUTION, any creature with SHARP TEETH exists to tear meat off prey. The T-Rex had sharp teeth so it could tear meat off its prey, thus being a meat-eater. Last time I checked, you didn't need sharp teeth to eat some cabbage. Those non-meat eating creatures have biologically EVOLVED so that their teeth can chew plants easily.
  • Fact 3: No, actually, fossils are the bones of animals who perished in a substance which allowed little corrosion to happen to them, whether it was volcanic ash or tar. Oh, but who knows, every single person in Pompeii might've been a sinner and been killed by God. The world may never know the truth.
  • Fact 4: Though there is evidence that a flood might've existed, I really doubt some "six hundred year old" guy created an ark which could carry two of every species on the planet, food to supply them all for 150 days, or even have the mental capacity of keeping sane during all of this if it were to happen. You try surviving in a boat for 150 days with animals. Could you imagine it? I get pissed off at my friend's dog when it barks for over 5 minutes. If I had to stay on a boat for 150 days with thousands of animals making noises like that, I would've jumped off the boat and drowned to death. And animals have needs too. Yeah, most animals don't embrace celibacy. And on top of that, the feces. Do you realize how many tons of feces thousands of animals would produce in 150 days?
  • Fact 5: They didn't exist as far as science can prove, either. God didn't create humans. He created little bacteria, which evolved into monkeys, which later evolved into humans.
  • Fact 6: He found some chick willing to let him stick his cock inside of her. Guess what? You're probably going to be one part of that equation one day.
  • Fact 7: Yes. They were. No flood-related shit ever made anybody in New Orleans have abnormal bone growth.
  • Fact 8: I'll agree that it is a defense mechanism, but chances are, he EVOLVED into it. In order to survive, all living things need to have some sort of a defensive mechanism. Animals develop claws and fangs and the ability to run, swim, or fly fast. Plants develop the ability to become poisonous. Humans? We could've chose to shoot boiling-hot toxic chemicals out of our asses, but we chose to have thumbs and creativity instead.

Spiritual Safety Tip
Alright, it's fine to let Atheists know they're missing out on loads of greatness and will be damned to hell forever and ever. But most of us Atheists are fine with that. And most of us Atheists are human too. Humans who can get annoyed. If we reject you the first time, you can try again. Fine, I understand you're persistent. But it's after 8 or 9 times that we get pissed off. This year alone, my family has been tracked down by several churches, Christian Chinese people (we're Chinese as well, they seem to think they'll have a larger effect on us), and most of my friends have tried to convert me at least once or twice (or in some cases, nine or ten times). Leave us the hell alone. We don't go to your doors asking you to drop your religion. If we choose to be "sad," then let us be "sad." Mind you, we live in America. The Bill of Rights gives us freedom of AND from religion.

After discussing this site with several other people, another site was brought to my attention. Here is the site, and I have been told it is a serious site like the last one. And it is sites like these that keep me away from Christianity. Disregard the fact that the URL is "godhatesgoths.com" and focus more on the following sections:

"GOD ALSO DETESTS RETARDS. DOWN SYNDROME, CEREBAL PALSY, THALIDOMIDES, DWARFISM, SPINA BIFIDA, AND OTHER CREATURES SPASTIC RETARDATIONS ARE REPULSIVE TO GOD. THE BIBLE STATES QUITE CLEARLY THAT THESE TWISTED LIMBLESS MONSTERS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ANYWHERE NEAR A CHURCH, AS THEY ARE UNCLEAN AND REPULSIVE TO GOD. THEY ARE AN ABOMINATION. THEY HAVE MINDS OF SUCH A REPROBATE NATURE THAT THEY ARE GIVEN TO SEXUALLY GRATIFYING THEMSELVES IN PUBLIC, AND ARE NOTHING MORE THAN SLOBBERING STAMMERING ANIMALS. WHY SHOULD THEY GET THE BEST CARE? GET GRANTS TO BUILD RAMPS FOR THEM? WHEELCHAIRS? PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT? IF GOD DID NOT INTEND THEM TO WALK, LET THEM CRAWL LIKE THE SNAKES THEY ARE."

That is not funny. Whoever wrote this shit down should die.  In a fire. And I'm anti-violent. Need I say any more?

"WORSHIPPING ANY OTHER GODS IS ALSO A CRIME WORTHY OF DEATH. THE BIBLE TEACHES US THAT ALL OTHER RELIGIONS WHO TURN FROM THE ONE TRUE CHRISTIAN GOD SHOULD BE STONED TO DEATH. THEIR BLOOD IS ON THEIR OWN HEADS."

Bullshit again. Killing for religion is something I don't understand. Hundreds of years ago, the crusades started. Hundreds of years ago. Haven't we learned something since then? Or are we still the same primitive beings we were back then?

"DISRESPECTING A REPRESENTATIVE OF GOD IS ALSO A CRIME WORTHY OF DEATH."
 
Stop molesting kids and I'll stop making fun of you.

One final thing to note about this site is of its picture up in the top, where it states Goths are "murderers, monsters, rapists, nazis" and so on. To be perfectly honest, I can't say I like Goths myself. But come on, calling them murderers and nazis? This site is more nazi than any Goth I've ever met. It's not like they're going around burning chickens on a pentagram. No, this is just a way they choose to express themselves. And as for the quote on the top, no, I'm pretty sure pedophiles (like certain priests) are more dangerous than a few Goths.

All in all, I'd just like to say that I think certain Christian fanatics have issues. I know not all of you are crazy like these people. But really, don't you think it's time to be letting go of these things? Kids are being taught propaganda with that first site, and people are just being fed hate in the second one. It's the 21st century. We're no longer killing people openly because of their beliefs. Let's stop this bullshit, shall we? Stop forcing things on people. And for God's sake, stop forcing these things on the children. When they grow up, let them choose if they want to become Christians. This new generation need not be a puppet for the previous generations.

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JaneCopland

Jane
Oh, Bodero? I think your commentitis is about to flare up again. Written on 13/8/07

Maozilla

David Yang
Well, I hope everybody realizes that I'm not attacking Christianity as a concept but rather attacking several people. Written on 13/8/07

JaneCopland

Jane
I know :) However, we have some resident jackasses at Drivl who'll promptly arrive with some 2,000-word comments to deflate your Godless soul. My advice in advance is not to read them. They'll revolve around the following points:
1) You are a bad American (not American? You're a terrorist).
2) You're going to hell (but you knew that).
3) Christianity is under attack (bring God's name back to our money and into our schools now! Now! Wait...)
4) "Us libs" are too dumb to understand anything (not liberal? Don't let the facts get in the way of a 2000-word Drivl comment). Written on 13/8/07

Rebecca

Rebecca Kelley
Don't forget "abortion is wrong." Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
And, mercy killing. Written on 13/8/07

Bodero

Bo Dero
Actually, much like Rush, I'm not interested in debating religion. Faith is something that should be close to your heart, not something that you argue in an internet website.

Policy issues that are completely debunked by logic and history are another story, however. Written on 13/8/07

JaneCopland

Jane
Well I wasn't referring to you alone in the comment you've replied to, but if you want to claim yourself as our "resident jackass", go right ahead. Written on 13/8/07

Bodero

Bo Dero
You'll have to excuse my comment replying skills, I meant for that to be a reply to the grandparent post of yours. Written on 13/8/07

Wolfie

Gary Zhang
Like i've told you before
People can shoot holes in your arguments
but sure, why not, I let your opinions stay unchanged
=d Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
You may be attacking the fan club, but I am attacking the faith itself. I was born Jewish, but unlike other religous people I have the very useful skill to use a little thing I like to call logic. I have read one or two pages of the bible, and my sister who is pretty religous has quoted it for me. I found a few contradictions I would like to point out.
1. GOD HATES INCEST. If there was originally two people on earth, how did they reproduce? INCEST! I thought god hated that.
2. GOD HATES HOMOSEXUALITY. So why do priests molest little boys?
3. GOD HATES SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE. Again the priest thing. They are not allowed to be married, but how many are virgins? at the most 0.
4. HELL IS A PLACE AS IS HEAVEN. If so how come we have not seen it with our advanced technology?
5. GOD EXISTS. Again why have we not seen him?
6. EVOLUTION IS WRONG. Then how come millions upon millions of scientists can prove it happens? Look at fish, they evolvedd legs. How? Look at frogs, they are a great example. They are born tadpoles which have no legs, then guess what they get legs. Evolution sped up.
7. BELIEVE IN GOD OR ELSE. I think George Carlin put it best when he said "Religion has brainwashed people into thinking that there is an invisible man who lives in an invisible castle in the clouds, who is everywhere watches everything you do, and always needs money. He loves each and every one of us, but if you do one thing wrong, he sends you to a place of eternal damnation." Sorry George thats not the exact quote, but I dont know it off hand. Its very similiar to that though.
8. GOD LOVES YOU ALL. He loves you, but he wants you to have no fun at all, also if you dont worship him or go against him in the slightest why, he sends you to a place of eternal damnation, and gets his friends to try and kill you.
9. GOD IS ALL POWERFUL. o rly? If he is so powerful why do we need to worship him, what does he care? If he is so powerful then why doesnt he make all atheists convert with the snap of his fingers? Are we too powerful? If we are he isnt all powerful. Since he knows everything then he should tell his little friends about evolution.

You know what I noticed? Smart intelligent people are athesists. The slower, stupider people believe in god. That is not a cheap shot at religion, that is my experience. Well Im glad I got that off my chest. Sorry it was so long. In conclusion though, anybody with half a brain can not beleive in religion. There are too many contradictions in the bible. No intelligent person can believe in religion. Religion was originally about money. People pay money to the church, and then the church tells god to love them. Then they ask for monthly payments, so they will keep telling god to love you. Look at history, all wars were about religion and money. Coisidence? I think not. That is one reason I am a communist. It does not revolve around money, and we are atheists. Religion is just too phony. Written on 13/8/07

Wolfie

Gary Zhang
Cormade. I'll play devil's advocate for fun.
1. Hmm, what says they're related? Nothing, they were just created together. So how is it incest.
Now the second generation, that would be incest.

2. Priests aren't god now are they, they're human, just like anyone else.

3. Oh jeez, prove that they aren't virgins. And prove that every priest is a molester, making generalizations make you seem ignorant

4. Advance technology?
Our technology fails. Okay? We can't do anything yet, stop patting yourself on the back for your "technology"

5. Because it doesn't wish to be seen? Because it is timeless and can foresee where you are looking for it?

6. Thats not evolution (in reference to the frog example). Evolution occurs through BIRTH. Every time a birth defect occurs, and is passed on genetically, the species is evolving, however, the question of if the evolved species survives is in question. If the new evolved species reproduces fast enough, it will be permanent, so for example if a 12 fingered man had 5 kids, and each of them had 5 kids, and so on and so forth, we'd eventually evolve into having 12 fingers. It does not happen the way tadpoles MATURE.

7. Believe in god or else you go to hell. Simple as that. I don't see how you rebutted it at all, you just stated an opinion.

8. God loves you all, just like your parents love you. But your parents don't want you to have fun either do they. Having sex at the age of 12 is fun, but god and your parents don't want you to. Shit, my parents don't love me because they won't let me have sex at the age of 12. By the way, "gets his friends to try and kill you"? What..?

9. God chooses simply to give you free will. That was its original intention. It never wished for perfection, because that would be boring. It wanted you to be happy however you want it to be. By the way, God does not need friends.

You know what I noticed? You sound really ignorant.
Too bad I'm agnostic and not atheist
I guess I don't have HALF A BRAIN
and I'm slow and stupid
Tell that to my 162 IQ, but thats low, i admit, if i hadn't squandered my talent, I'd be up at 180, but I guess I've rotted. So what if Religion is wrong, why can't God exist.
Go grow up


Damn, that was long.
lol, whatever
The point is, stop being so arrogant Written on 13/8/07

Maozilla

David Yang
Look, I made my own point here. If you guys have THIS much to say about, write your own damn article. Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
Sorry for hijacking! Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
1. I was talking about the 2nd generation sorry if I didnt make that clear.
2. No they are not, but they represent him. Its like Osma Bin Laden wearing an American flag shirt. He is not hatred of America, but he represents it. SAme thing
3.We can run a test, try to seduce a priest (assuming your a man[This is disturbing because I know him in real life]) if he flirts back, hes a molestor.
4.hubble telescope
5.If he doesnt want to be seen, it makes bible harder to believe, if he showed himself, then more people may believe.
6.I was using that as an example, because the way they mature is very similiar to evolution.
7. It may be an opinion but religous people regard it as fact.
8. Getting his friends to try and kill you is a reference to the crusades, and such
9. If he is all powerful he can override free will

I said that religous people have dont have half a brain, not agnostic. No offense but "Stop being so arrogant" sounds really wierd coming from you. Also that wasn't arrogance, stating facts does not make you arrogant. Written on 13/8/07

JaneCopland

Jane
The person who's touting his 162 IQ is telling others not to be arrogant? Rolling on the floor, laughing my ass off. You also forgot a period at the end of a couple of your sentences, so I guess punctuation and intelligence don't necessarily come hand-in-hand. Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
I just told him that on AIM. Written on 13/8/07

JaneCopland

Jane
You know this guy personally!? Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
Yeah, I said that in my reply to his reply to my list of contradictions.

"(assuming your a man[That is disturbing because I know him in real life])"

And I know the writer too. Written on 13/8/07

JaneCopland

Jane
Ah, apologies for not reading that bit :) Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
Why apologize? It doesnt hurt my feelings, or anything. People miss bits of information. Written on 13/8/07

Ribbon

Sarah
You aren't attacking the faith, just being ignorant. You're attacking the people who call themselves Christians or whatever religion but don't even have the slightest idea of what the hell the religion is based on.

Yeah, maybe some atheists are smart, intelligent, but I know some fucking smart religious people. It goes both ways. I know some stupid atheists too.


1. I don't know anything on this, to be honest. But I don't think Adam and Eve were related. The passages, in which the creation of the world and human, were purely written so that people (that have faith) can see the glory of God. Or that's what I was taught, and that's what I believe.

2. Again, as I said before - they might call themselves Christians, but they might not be. So you're not attacking the religion, you're attacking the hypocrites that claim that they have faith in that religion.

3. I love how you just assume things. I know plenty of priests, pastors, children ministers, etc. that are virgins. And you know what, even if some aren't, it's nothing to you. If you know ANYTHING about the Christian religion, it's really big on grace and mercy. And I refer to my point made in number 2.

4. I've never seen you, you must not exist.

5. Again, I've never seen you, you must not exist.

6. They never say evolution is wrong. I honestly think that it does happen, but under God's eye. I just think that the 'big bang' theory, and other theories on the world's creation are just whack. Maybe just as whack as you think having a God watching over people is.

7. What the fuck is that quote. I honestly think that whoever said that is just obtuse and extremely ignorant. He obviously has never studied ANY religion if he said that. Christianity is not based on works, it's based on faith - which means you can screw up, but as long as you TRULY regret and repent, then it's all good with God. In the end, you become a better person - like trial and error. You know not to do this any more, etc. Maybe some religions are like that, but not all. So I consider that argument invalid and negligent.

8. Does it say ANYWHERE in the bible that he doesn't want us to have fun? If you can find a quote, I'll give this one to you. I honestly find 'fun' in just praising him at church, and being able to grow and mature. If you mean 'fun' as in smoking, drinking, drugs - I can tell you I've done that, been there, and it's not fun. It's gay, it's pathetic, it just means you're screwed up.

9. Yeah, he shouldn't care. But that's the beauty of my religion, he does - he gives mercy, maybe not to everyone, but to people who choose to believe. And you know, I sometimes wish he would snap his fingers and make other people believe, but he doesn't. I think it's better this way anyways, it means he respects free will.

Thanks for calling me stupid, I'll take it personally thank you.

Maybe to you, religion is phony, that's no reason to go attacking religion.

I actually understand what David is saying here - he's not attacking my faith or anyone else's - just the outrageous things that people are posting up here and there.

And by the way, give me a contradiction in the bible. I love it when people say this, because they can't give me one - and if they do, it's not even one.

I don't think intelligence has anything to do with religion. It's the strength of the person's heart, but maybe some people don't have one.

Yeah, most wars were on religion and money - the two most important things to most people in the world.



Maybe you ARE smarter than me, I honestly don't know - to be frank I don't care. But I know very smart people. Smart, successful, and they are religious. Your argument on intelligence = no religion is invalid.

Edit:

:D DAVIDDDDD CONGRATS ON FRONT PAGE<3 Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
1. Again I was talking about the 2nd generation
2. So people who preach the faith, and taught it to others for years, are not of that faith just because they went against one teaching? Sorry I didnt understand that.
3.I was only talking about priests. I know that they cant be virgins, because the human race is designed to have sex 3 times a week(I saw that on the health talk on the news, Im sure if you search the internet you can find it). So yes they may be virgins, but then Im sure they masturbated once or twice, which is also against god.
4. You may not have seen me, but you have read something I wrote. You may say that god wrote the bible, what proof do you have? What proof do you have that I wrote this? Piggyeatsppl is my aim, send me a message, and I will prove to you that I wrote this.
5. see 4.
6. I have nothing against you believing in your own religious theories, Im just saying dont believe in it with no proof. Scientists have shown proof that these theories are true or not true. Do the same for your religion.
7. Actually he was rised as a christian, he mentions it in one of his books, I can let you borrow it if you want.
8. I was making more of a point on how if you do something you dont like he damns you to hell, even though he loves you. I added the thing about fun in, because in my opinion the things that god does not like are the fun things in life.
9. It says in the bible that man was made in gods image correct? It is human nature to not care, therefore logically it is gods nature to not care.

I just gave you 9 contradictions, if you want actual quotes give me a day or two and a bible, I will fish them out for you.
Written on 13/8/07

Ribbon

Sarah
1. They weren't christians, which is the religion I'm defending. Where's the incense? And it doesn't say God approved of the incense did it?

2. Yeah. You didn't understand it. Again, going back to how I was raised and taught - works mean nothing. Being a priest will do nothing for you - it won't get you into heaven, it won't keep you from going to hell.

3. Who hasn't? Does it really matter if they are or aren't? Obviously, you don't understand the religion that you're 'attacking', so: see previous point.

4. David gave me your AIM earlier. I'll contact you after this because this ridiculously skinny box is just annoying and interferes with my thinking. Anyways, here is a story that I think illustrates my point well:

"The professor of a university challenged his students with this question.
"Did God create everything that exists?"

A student answered bravely, "Yes,he did".

The professor then asked, "If God created everything, then he created evil. Since evil exists (as noticed by our own actions), so God is evil.

The student couldn't respond to that statement causing the professor to conclude that he had "proved" that "belief in God" was a fairy tale, and therefore worthless.

Another student raised his hand and asked the professor, "May I pose a question? ",

"Of course" answered the professor. The young student stood up and asked : "Professor does Cold exists?"

The professor answered, "What kind of question is that?...Of course the cold exists... haven't you ever been cold?"

The young student answered, "In fact sir, Cold does not exist. According to the laws of Physics, what we consider cold, in fact is the absence of heat. Anything is able to be studied as long as it transmits energy (heat). Absolute Zero is the total absence of heat, but cold does not exist. What we have done is create a term to describe how we feel if we don't have body heat or we are not hot." "And, does Dark exist?", he continued.

The professor answered "Of course".

This time the student responded, "Again you're wrong, Sir. Darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in fact simply the absence of light. Light can be studied, darkness can not. Darkness cannot be broken down.
A simple ray of light tears the darkness and illuminates the surface where the light beam finishes. Dark is a term that we humans have created to describe what happens when there's lack of light."

Finally, the student asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"

The professor replied, "Of course it exists, as I mentioned at the beginning, we see violations, crimes and violence anywhere in the world, and those things are evil."

The student responded, "Sir, Evil does not exist. Just as in the previous cases, Evil is a term which man has created to describe the result of the absence of God's presence in the hearts of man.

After this, the professor bowed down his head, and didn't answer back."


It doesn't prove anything, but you can't prove that God does not exist.

6. Then shut the fuck up?

7. I'll go read it. I still think he's ignorant and knows nothing about the religion. If he does, he doesn't fully grasp the point of the religion: the point is that you DON'T have to do good things, you don't have to be perfect. We can't do anything to get in to Heaven, but some how we can get into it. That's the religion.

8. I don't understand this wholly either, so I can't really make a point on this. But I'm not letting what I don't know screw up what I do know.

9. I don't think that's right at all. If you're saying 'the bible says', then here: the bible says that because of the fall of man, we were separated from god which means we are no longer in the 'image of god'. I'm not too clear on this either, but I thought that 'made in the image of god' meant that God has a body or something shaped like ours.

Technically, what you gave me weren't contradictions of the Bible or the religion - just explanations for what you believe.

I'm going to stop posting here, and contact you on AIM so if you reply here, I won't see it. Written on 13/8/07

Killer

Ty Henry
I'm 31 and still a virgin. What does that make me? (Rhetorical) Written on 21/8/07

scottieJ

Scott Jahnke
I'll admit, I appreciate the warning on the goth site:

"WARNING! GOSPEL PREACHING AND CHRISTIAN VALUES AHEAD!

IF ANY GOSPEL TRUTHS AND CHRISTIAN MORALS OFFEND YOU, THEN PLEASE LEAVE THIS SITE IMMEDIATELY.

BY CONTINUING, YOU TESTIFY THAT YOU ARE ENTERING THIS WEBSITE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO, AND ARE NOT IN ANY WAY BEING FORCED TO VIEW THE MATERIAL CONTAINED THEREIN." Written on 13/8/07

JaneCopland

Jane
They should have a lowercase warning that the material contained herein is also in all caps, as I find this about as irritating as their botched boob job of a website. Written on 13/8/07

scottieJ

Scott Jahnke
Not many of these kinds of sites are well designed. Mainly because they are made in the basements of crazy, egotistical, hypocritical, retarded, asshats that don't know any better. But they do know that all caps means something is important, and everything they have to say is very important and should be shouted from the mountain tops. Written on 13/8/07

Maozilla

David Yang
Yeah... I thought of the designer as this type of person:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uOIYsGVyg8M "Harry Potter is the Devil"

I can just imagine it now. HARRY POTTER IS A WITCH! BURN HIM! Written on 13/8/07

scottieJ

Scott Jahnke
Well, you don't make heroes out of warlocks. Geez, that's just common sense. Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
They just put that up to make them seem more sensative to other peoples beliefs. I also find it amusing how they call goths nazis, yet if you read the bible, and nazi liturature, such as Hitler's "mein kampf" there are a lot of similarities.

In fact THEY PREACH THE EXACT SAME THING. The onyl difference is the bible preaches against all none christian religions, Hitler only preached against Jews. Wierd isnt it? We had to read parts of "Mein Kampf" for school, I asked my teacher if Hitler actually wrote this. I thought he went on his little computer(not literally for obvious reasons) copy and pasted the bible, changed the title and the author, and replaced non christian religions with jews, and printed it out. If you read the two side by side, THEY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME.

Sorry for writing so much, its just religion makes me so angry, and when I get angry I type a lot. Written on 13/8/07

gabrielle

Gabrielle
Hitler probably did exactly that. The man was nuts. A self-hater on a power trip. Written on 14/8/07

Wolfie

Gary Zhang
Eww what?
I guess punctuation is mandatory on the internet now.
I'm sorry I forgot about that.

Anyway, "Devil's advocate" doesn't play into this does it. Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
I think grammar is too. Written on 13/8/07

Maozilla

David Yang
Both of you lay off the insults. Wolfie chooses not to use punctuation and Cormade can't spell for his life (it's GRAMMAR). Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
Heh, I just noticed that. Also for the record, its comrade, cormade is a typo(you of all people should know that). I was wondering why people were calling me cormade for 5 minutes before I actually looked at my name. I try to type faster than I can =D Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
Something is wrong with my computer/internet, I cant see half the bubble when I type, so I cant tell if I make a typo, until after I post it. Written on 13/8/07

rjc85

rebecca cannon
Did anyone realize that this is a parody? Please go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambuel and read it. The whole point of this site is to mock the whole fundamental religious right. Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
PHEW! I saw some of the facts and I thought it was worse than it really was. Thanks! Written on 13/8/07

Maozilla

David Yang
Oh wow, I guess I never actually checked it's authenticity... my bad. :/ It's just been from what I've been told... Written on 13/8/07

gabrielle

Gabrielle
Yeah but how many other check its authenticity? I'm sure there are parents out there making their kids read that and take it as gospel. Written on 14/8/07

JaneCopland

Jane
I hope you don't live in Massachusetts, David. Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
I should be more worried than him. Written on 13/8/07

Maozilla

David Yang
Hey, I live in a little town in New Jersey called Cherry Hill, where pretty much half the residents are Jewish. There's nothing stopping me here as far as I know. Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
Actually, there are a few nutballs here. At least once a month I get a letter taped to my door, about how Christ loves me, and I should love him too. Then it gives some address for a church. I called the number they gave once, I was going to say I cant worship Christ, because I worship Satan, but nobody picked up, and I lost the number Written on 13/8/07

scottieJ

Scott Jahnke
Good Lord. I'm not sure I've ever seen a more blatant disregard of the 1st amendment. Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
Oh the first amendment can shove it >_>. Dont get me started on the constitution. That law in Massacusetts is a blatant disregard for the 1st amendment Written on 13/8/07

scottieJ

Scott Jahnke
I was talking about the Massachusetts law. Written on 13/8/07

blitzhund

William Paris
"And last time we checked with any scientist, the earth was created 4.57 billion years ago"

Give or take a couple of billion years or so.

What I find so amazing is that we mock those whose beliefs do not add up to what current science dictates.

In 2,000 years from now, they'll be laughing at our modern beliefs.

Hell, I spend most of my time laughing at my own belief system - but that's just healthy self-loathing. ;-) Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
Yeah, I do that too. I used to believe in god and heaven and stuff, but I found it too illogical. Your right about how in a hundred years or so they will laugh at our science. It was only a couple hundred years ago that we thought the sun revolved around the earth. Written on 13/8/07

gabrielle

Gabrielle
So what it's illogical? It's called faith. I'm a scientist who was born and raised Catholic, went to Catholic school and still attends mass on Sundays. And I'm gay. Tolerance people, tolerance. That was not, by the way, aimed at you Comrade, just at people in general.
Although, I personally have very little tolerance for any kind of religious extremists and people who think that the way I choose (whether it's really a choice is debatable) to live my life is sick and somehow wrong. So basically I just contradicted myself... And just so you know, I really couldn't care less what other people believe in or if they don't beleive in anything.
Oops! I kinda ranted there a little. Sorry! Written on 14/8/07

Bridawg

Brian Sargent
the whole site is an elaborate fake - a hoax!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambuel Written on 13/8/07

Maozilla

David Yang
Yes, we've been through this, and I'm sorry. Didn't do enough background info, hell, how the hell was I supposed to know there was an article on wiki about it? This totally ruined my day. ): Written on 13/8/07

Wolfie

Gary Zhang
Oh stop mocking him
at least God still hates Goths Written on 13/8/07

JaneCopland

Jane
Fifty-fucking-five comments already? What happened? Written on 13/8/07

Maozilla

David Yang
I got spammed by my friends. Sorry, next time I'll keep them away from commenting. <___< Written on 13/8/07

Cormade

Jordan Fox
You should control your friends better. If they dont listen, whip them. Written on 13/8/07

MikeSavage

Mark Levin
Pretentious atheists. What a surprise. Written on 13/8/07

JaneCopland

Jane
How did you end up here? Written on 13/8/07

Maozilla

David Yang
Though I've actually never read the bible, from what I've been explained, Lucifer sounds nicer than God.

I'm not a crazy satanist, so let me explain what I've been explained.

God had created everything with a counter or a "balance", so for every angel there was an angel for it's balance. Lucifer was an extremely powerful angel, God's "left hand". Metatron, another powerful angel, was the "right hand" of god (actually the "voice", but we'll use "right hand" for the sake of reference). However, Lucifer refused to acknowledge Metatron and instead thought of himself as God's balance. And now, as we all know, God likes taking vacations, so while he was gone, Lucifer took half of all the angels of heaven and decided to take over. He thought he would win, but obviously, everything was balanced. For every angel that sided with Lucifer, one sided with God. So God decided to create another realm for Lucifer, as he didn't want him to fight in heaven, known as hell. Lucifer was still, in essence, pure, because he was still an angel. He was cunning, but not wicked. Simply to keep himself from becoming insane because of the thought of defeat, he created hell and declared himself the winner and not the loser. And he would accept anybody into his "heaven".

So despite the fact that it is hell, Lucifer sounds like a nicer guy. Anyway, this really doesn't change the fact that I'm Atheist, it's just a little story I wanted to tell. Written on 13/8/07

JaneCopland

Jane
Whole thing sounds like a fairy-tale to me. Written on 13/8/07

Maozilla

David Yang
The Bible sounds like a fairy-tale to me. Written on 13/8/07

JaneCopland

Jane
Historically, it's highly probable if not definitely factual that a man named Jesus Christ existed and was executed. He had some awesome ideas as to how you should live your life. But the whole legions of angels and holy battles between God and Lucifer thing?

Did you guys see the three Lord of the Rings movies? Do they all believe that actually happened as well, because it's about as plausible.

EDIT: LOTR is more plausible because it involves more humans. Written on 13/8/07

Ribbon

Sarah
I've never heard that story before - I don't think Lucifer is God's balance at all or whatever.

But that's an interesting story.

I learned it like this:
Lucifer was an extremely powerful, beautiful angel, and became vain and prideful - which is a 'sin' and of course, there can be no sin in heaven so God kicked him out.

._. Sounds a lot less pretty. Written on 13/8/07

Wolfie

Gary Zhang
lol
david stole my story
well i let him steal it
its cute
partially inaccurate
but close enough Written on 13/8/07

gabrielle

Gabrielle
It's all in the interpretation. Written on 14/8/07

MikeSavage

Mark Levin
Saw your award winning smile in your avatar and decided to join, Jane. :) Written on 13/8/07

Boderoo

yoshi6900
another religion debate on the internet >:( Written on 13/8/07

blitzhund

William Paris
For once (and prolly again I'm sure) I agree with you.

But the story has some funny points. Written on 14/8/07