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Justin Spicer

Illegal Immigration: My Advice to Republicans

Published on 17/8/07 in Politics
Let freedom ring. With justice, liberty, and salsa con queso for all...

Dear Conservatives,

Recently, I've been watching (admittedly with some glee) as the Republican Party tears itself apart over the issue of illegal immigration and immigration reform.

My advice to you?  Relax before you drop a major nut.

To listen to you conservative Republicans, one would think an enormous, murderous Mexican horde is storming the southern border of the United States intent on ravaging the countryside.  This is hardly rational.  It's hard to make the case that illegals are doing anything but coming here to work, raise their families, and drive around with thirty people to a pick-up truck.  You know, American Dream stuff.

Spastic xenophobes like Lou Dobbs attribute just about every ill our country experiences - from drugs to murder - to this ‘Mexican invasion.'  If Dobbs is covering a violent crime, pay close attention.  Within a minute, he will point out that the drug dealer/rapist/pedophile/supervillain is a Mexican.  That train is never late.  In fact, I'm surprised that Michael Vick's pseudonym, ‘Ron Mexico' didn't prompt Dobbs to claim that Mexicans like to execute puppies.

And while that vein in Dobbs's forehead just keeps getting bigger (I've lovingly named the vein Pepe), the rhetoric about ‘the end of America' just keeps getting more and more irrational.  The way he's churning up this fervor, you'd think Lou's ratings depended on it!  Oh, wait...

Our immigration situation, no doubt, is a problem.  But is it a crisis?  Was it a crisis a few years ago?  Of course not.  Nobody was worried about immigration a few years ago, because the Republicans' backs weren't up against the wall and fixin' to lose both houses of Congress.

Here's a poorly kept secret many of you Republicans won't want to hear: illegal immigration was brought up to be a visceral, emotional campaign issue in 2006 to drum up Republican passion for the midterm elections.  And while it succeeded at riling up the Republican base, it didn't translate into votes.  Instead, what the Republicans got was a ‘thumpin'' as Mr. Bush suggested.  (Congratulations, Mr. President, you've just been nominated for the Understatement Of The Year Award.)

The Republican Party is infamous for raising these emotional, gut-churning issues.  You know the issues I'm talking about: abortion, gay marriage, and the Purple Teletubbie, the most fiendish Australian plot to subvert traditional American values since Outback Steakhouse.  Bloomin' onions?  More like bloomin' depravity!

But this time, the attempt to expand their red state voter rolls backfired.  Ironically, now Republicans are in a mess of their own making.  The Republicans bit off way more than they could chew when they chose immigration as a campaign issue.  They lost the elections in 2006, but they were still left with the hyperbolic anti-immigrant rhetoric and no practical way to solve the problem.  Now that the conservative masses are adequately stoked for action, that genie ain't getting back in the bottle anytime soon.

Here's another secret you may not want to hear: every major Republican candidate for President, despite what they said, wanted the recent immigration reform bill to pass.  If it had passed, the issue would have been over and they wouldn't have had to deal with the tough questions on it anymore.  They can say they did what they could to oppose the bill, show their conservative chops, stand up to the President (it's about fuckin' time, by the way), and they would have had yet another rallying issue to revisit on even-numbered years (or as I like to call them, Rabid Republican Years).

You see, as the Republican ‘brand name' gets more tarnished, the party is shrinking.  And guess what part of the party is eroding?  I'll give you a hint:  Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter still have their membership cards.  (Interesting side note:  Ann Coulter's Adam's apple actually has its own membership card.)  That's right; it's the moderates that are leaving in droves.  So all the party is left with is passionate righties who are quickly transforming themselves into a smaller and smaller party of xenophobic, near-vigilante rabble.

There's no doubt that the issue has divided the party.  At the height of the immigration controversy, conservative Senators Saxby Chambliss and Lindsey Graham (both of whom clearly have silly names) were booed in their home states by conservative crowds over their support of the President's immigration reform bill.  Getting booed by conservative home state crowds?  Ouch.  That's like Elvis Presley getting booed at Graceland.

Far right nutbars like Pat Buchanan have called this immigration boom "A Third World Invasion."  Really?  It's not like they're bringing the Third World with them.  They're not building corrugated tin shanty towns with roaming, malnourished goats in our suburbs.  We're not experiencing breakouts of malaria or dysentery (unless you count Taco Bell, but you can hardly blame Taco Bell on Mexicans).  So, Mr. Buchanan, I'd suggest you grab a paper bag and take a few deep breaths before you talk about ‘the end of America as we know it.'

So what is this really about?  This is about Republicans not wanting their idea of America to change.  I know the thought of having to hear ‘para Español, marca dos' every time you call your stock broker makes your hair stand on end, mostly because you have no idea what it means.  'What??  Was that a coded terrorist threat??'  The bottom line is that Republicans think that America will no longer be a majority white country.

Look, I'm not saying you Republicans are racist; I just... don't know how to end that sentence.  I'm sure I'll be accused of race baiting, but what else can you call it?  Bill O'Reilly himself has said that he's afraid of the white, Christian, male power structure in this country being toppled by Latin American immigrants.  Jesus, you conservatives used to at least try to veil your racist statements with vague subtleties like ‘there goes the neighborhood', or ‘some of my best friends are colored', and so on.  Now you're talking about the ‘white, Christian, male power structure'?  That's progress for you.

I also hear you conservatives talk about how people come to this country illegally and then have ‘anchor babies' to keep them here.  Then you say things along the lines of ‘it's ok to break up these families because they're just anchor babies' as though they weren't real children!  You do realize that the phrase ‘anchor babies' doesn't mean that these children are literally two-ton wrought iron behemoths, right? 

And aren't you supposed to be the party of Christian values?  Ah yes, because when I ask myself what Jesus would do, the answer is inevitably, ‘love thy neighbor... unless thy neighbors haveth brown babies.  In which case, fuck ‘em, for nothing sayeth mercy like punishing a child because of thine parents' birthplace.'  I'm no theologian, but I think that passage is in the book of Cruelty, verse 3, chapter 5.

Again, Republicans, relax.  Consult your history books:  every time a large-scale immigrant influx has occurred in this country there has been this same spastic, convulsively bigoted reaction.  When Italians came en masse in the late 19th and early 20th century, everyone was terrified of their hand-talking, their spicy meat-a-balls, and gravity defying mustaches.  When the Irish came to this country around the same time, people were petrified that eventually, the entire country would smell like boiled potatoes and Jameson's Whiskey vomit.

But guess what?  Both of those populations became so integrated into the fabric of our national identity that those previous jokes are at most only mildly offensive.

That's one thing we Americans do better than any other industrialized nation.  We integrate newcomers into our society.  We do it better than any country in Europe, better than Australia, better than Japan.  We can integrate anyone... except those filthy, freeloading, carp-eating Swedes.

Now I know many conservatives will say that this is an issue of law and order, not race and ethnicity.  Horseshit.

I'm sorry, but if Canadians were rushing the Northern border being all agreeable and polite and whatever else Canadians do, you wouldn't have a problem.  If it were New Zealanders that were overstaying their Visas, you wouldn't be taking to the streets shouting to ‘send the hobbits back to Mordor!'  If it were the French who... OK, admittedly that would be a bad example.

Look, I'm not faulting you for your natural inclination towards prejudice.  In fact, I understand why you'd be scared about having signs in Spanish all over the place.  Conservatives by nature don't like change, tolerance, or non-English speakers.  (And sex.  They hate sex.)

But guess what?  The human brain is a remarkable instrument capable of holding more than one language.  Oh yeah, It's true!  Look at Europe.  There are many countries where people need to speak three or four languages just to get by.  And do you ever hear even the most dim-witted of Luxemburgers complain?  No!  By the way, I'm not sure what the actual term is for people from Luxembourg, but ‘Luxemburgers' is a damn funny word.

To that argument, I've often heard conservatives say, ‘Why should I have to learn a new language?'  You don't.  Just like your parents and grandparents didn't have to learn to use a computer, a VCR, or an electric toothbrush.  But it sure would have made them look a lot less like retards wouldn't it?

America is nothing if not resilient.  It is by nature a changing country.  So if the time comes when America does become a bilingual society (which I highly doubt), go with the flow.  Relax.  Have a margarita, and buy yourself a copy of ‘Spanish for Complete Fucktards.'

Calm yourselves.  The guy picking grapes in subhuman conditions or the fry cook working at Wendy's is not a threat to you, your livelihoods, or your daughters' respective virginities. 

Look, I'm trying to do you a solid.  While most Democrats are on the sidelines of this increasingly moronic debate, often giggling with glee and watching you destroy yourselves over this non-issue, I'm trying to help you out.  My guess is Republicans will not relax and they'll continue to fracture and shrink their own party.  What can I say?  I tried.  Now I'm just licking my chops for 2008.

Let freedom ring.  With justice, liberty, and salsa con queso for all...

Signed,


Your friendly neighborhood liberal

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To listen to you conservative Republicans, one would think an enormous, murderous Mexican horde is storming the southern border of the United States intent on ravaging the countryside.

Oh, Really? Why are 95% of Los Angeles' outstanding warrants for homicide targeting illegal aliens?

There is a legal path to citizenship in this country. There's no reason we should stand for people who wish to skip their place in line.

If it wasn't a Friday, and I didn't have a life, I'd rebut all of your other libtard talking points, starting with your irreverent misuse of the term xenophobic. But since we have people on this site that have gone through the very processes to legal citizenship, hopefully they will come to my aid for once in mentioning how ridiculous it is for them to do it the fair way and have these illegals get through scott free. Written on 17/8/07
legal citizenship is the most painful thing ever.
You know how long background check take?
For gods sake, why bureaucracy...

anyway, there are points i agree with, points i don't
I'm a democrat, so i guess i agree with the more anti-republican points. Written on 17/8/07
I'm a democrat, so i guess i agree with the more anti-republican points.

Spoken like a true drone. Written on 18/8/07
My dad legally entered this country and obtained his citizenship and was also a staunch Republican-yet he was always sympathetic to all immigrants, legal or illegal. The reason may have been his awareness of the contrasts between this country and others-whenever he would come back to the States after visiting his family in Germany, he would inevitably say he was relieved to be back in the States. Written on 17/8/07
yet he was always sympathetic to all immigrants, legal or illegal.

Well I'm flattered that so many people want to come to America, owning to the fact that this is the greatest country in the world; but we have laws and paths to citizenship that one must follow. Likewise no matter how flattered I'd be that people would want to steal from my store selling unique goods, it'd still be against the law. Written on 18/8/07
Sympathy doesn't mean condone in this case. A little humility wouldn't hurt you. Written on 18/8/07
Calling America the "greatest country in the
world," is a right bit o' shite!
Don't get me wrong, it is a damn site better
than some places, but coming from a flag sucker
doesn't make it true.
If you were to alter your statement to read
that it is the greatest capitalist nation, i'd
agree. Written on 21/8/07
There are a quantifiable number of countries in this world.

Each country's history is storied with tales of its contributions to the world community.

The United States has contributed more to the world community than any other country in terms of science, economics, and just about any other category you can think of.

We have literally become the richest nation in the world in 200 years.

We have gone from sparse farming to putting a man on the moon in the same length of time.

Name one country which is better. Written on 21/8/07
Yes, our country has made contributions.
We sell our pharmaceuticals at high cost
to 3rd world countries. We rebuild some of the
areas that we've leveled with artillery.
And we boycott countries to the point of
starvation in an effort to "spread democracy"

Oh yes I see now, we're fantastic.

Just remember how fabulous Rome was before their fall.

Winston Churchill said, "Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time."
Written on 28/8/07
America's pretty neat, but it's not the greatest. There's no such thing as "the greatest country in the world." Some things about America are awesome (lakes in Idaho, Thanksgiving, steak...); some things absolutely suck. The same is true for Australia, Britain, Germany, Canada and everywhere else.

America's better than a lot of places. As far as quality of life goes, it's on par with my home. I live no better and no worse than I did before I came here.

Personally, I'm here because my husband lives here. And I kind of like him. Written on 21/8/07
That's the reason we live in France even though neither one of us is a French citizen (I'm Austrian and my girl is Canadian):) France just works for us since we both speak the lingo and feel at home here. We've both lived in America but agree that it's not for us. There's no such place as Perfectoland but there are places called Rightformecountry and Yourkindofplace:) Written on 21/8/07
Too right. I've never come across a nation more enamored with the idea of inhabiting Greatestcountryever than this one. Most nationalities can name their country's faults as well as its blessings.

For some Americans, admitting that other countries do some things better than them is akin to heresy. Not healthy, people! Admitting that your nation is not "the greatest", that it has faults but that you still love it is healthy. My home country is too far away from other countries and is home to quite a few narrow-minded people. However, it's beautiful, it's peaceful and it often produces people, products and ideas far beyond its tiny size.

Now, you so much as hint at America's faults (even if you're American) and certain sectors of society will tell you to leave. Healthy societies recognize their shortcomings. I don't want to be ridiculed for my nationality because I don't agree that America is the greatest nation on earth (that would be difficult, because I believe that there is no such thing). I expect that any negative replies I get will be people shitting all over other nations in an attempt to prove America's worth.

This nation rocks. It rocks as much as every other awesome, flawed society. Written on 21/8/07
How do you define, "greatest?" If We would actually defend the Constitution instead of desecrating it, The United States would be the greatest nation to ever grace the Earth... Sadly, this is not the case anymore.

We're great at destroying the environment, and helping the rich get richer. We're great at making it difficult for the poor to get ahead. We're great at making movies, and selling products that nobody really needs. We are apparently really good at torture, and surveillance, and killing Iraqis. Hell, we are even pretty damn good at privatizing war itself, but not at helping our own poor minority citizens of New Orleans rebuild their lives... We are great at doing all of this in the name of God.

We are shameful, and the Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves for we have forsaken who we are. Written on 18/12/07
Abridged version of this article:

Problem...what problem? Written on 17/8/07
I have one question for you: Why is it that Mexicans, of all nationalities that make it to this country, have the worst reputation for assimilating into an American? I've met plenty of 1st generation immigrants to this country and I'm able to communicate with all of them, whether they have come from Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Guatemala, Brazil, Germany, Italy, France, Quebec, Sweden, Norway, China, Japan, Korea, Philippines, Laos, Vietnam, Spain, India, Pakistan, Iraq, and others that I've met in my lifetime. It's unfortunate that I now live in a period of time when I go to my local fast food establishment and have to use the picture menu to get the point across to the staff of what I would like to order and then hear the order repeated to the rest of the staff in Spanish. Living above the 47th parallel, I find it offensive actually. As I saw on a tee shirt this Fourth of July, "Welcome to America, now speak English!" Written on 17/8/07
"Welcome to America, now speak English!"

And we don't want your feet washing stations! If only it was just the Mexicans that did this. Many Muslims, however, have an ulterior motive. Written on 18/8/07
More proof that liberalism is the philosophy of the stupid. Liberalism's tenets are based on emotion and feel-good policies, not actual proof and common sense. Sure, it'd be "nice" to grant 20 million illegals permanent citizenship (and would certainly inflate the registered DNC voters), but it's just not practical.

Just like everything else in liberalism, ranging from "free" public health care to social security to taxation - liberalism's goal is to appeal to the stupid and 'thoughtful' and hope they don't actually crunch the numbers on their policy goals. Written on 18/8/07
My favourite part of this article so far, is how bodero just reaffirmed everything JT just said.
MORE JT ARTICLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Written on 18/8/07
My favorite part of your comment so far, is how you just reaffirmed everything I said to Wolfie.
MORE BODERO COMMENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Written on 18/8/07
So many errors in this article. I don't know where to begin.

Recently, I've been watching (admittedly with some glee) as the Republican Party tears itself apart over the issue of illegal immigration and immigration reform.

The vast majority of Republicans were together. They are against illegal immigration. The president is the one that bucked party philosophy. I'm not sure how this is tearing a party apart when one member of the party is with Democrats on an issue. Considering Democrats like FDR even tried to campaign against his own party members in the 1938 elections, this disagreement between Bush and Republicans is hardly cause for concern. I know we'd like more recent examples however so I suggest you look into Bill Clinton's clusterfuck with the 103rd Congress. The man had a firmly democratic Congress and he pissed it away with disagreements at every turn. See NAFTA and his 'excellent' health care reform bill. Bush is conducting a finely tuned orchestra when compared to Clinton's first term.

Now on to the actual substance of the immigration bill that was recently killed. Republicans were clearly united against the bill. On June 27th, 114 Republicans in the House voted to strongly disapprove of the Senate immigration bill that was passed. Only 23 Republicans voted against said resolution. On June 29th, 2/3 of Republicans voted against a resolution that would have brought the issue back to the forefront. It seems like a pretty united party when it comes to the immigration bill.

To listen to you conservative Republicans, one would think an enormous, murderous Mexican horde is storming the southern border of the United States intent on ravaging the countryside. This is hardly rational.

Sweeping generalizations. Nice. I disapprove of illegal immigration because it makes a mockery of legal immigration. Rules are put into place on how to get into our country. If you don't respect the law, I don't want you in my country.

I find it very hilarious to hear Democrats complain about strict American immigration standards. You people look to Europe when it is convenient. I hear stuff like, "Why doesn't America follow Europe's lead in the fight against global warming?" and "Why doesn't America respect organized labor like they do in Europe?" Well, I never hear, "Why doesn't America follow Europe's lead with respect to immigration?" That is because immigration laws in Europe are roughly a joke. If you aren't a Nobel Prize winning scientist, you pretty much aren't going to immigrate to a country in Europe.

Consider Switzerland - In 2006, they passed a new law that makes it harder to get asylum and blocked unskilled workers outside of Europe from getting into their nation.

Consider France - After protests in Paris when the government threatened to deport school kids whose parents were illegal immigrants, the government still approved new laws that made it harder for immigrants to move to France when the reason to do so was to reunite with family members. It is estimated that France deports approximately 26,000 illegals a year. A pretty hefty total in my opinion given that there are about 200,000 illegals in France.

It's hard to make the case that illegals are doing anything but coming here to work, raise their families, and drive around with thirty people to a pick-up truck. You know, American Dream stuff.

Who were the Fort Dix six again????? Oh, yes, that's right. 3 were multiple arrest illegal immigrants.

Here's a poorly kept secret many of you Republicans won't want to hear: illegal immigration was brought up to be a visceral, emotional campaign issue in 2006 to drum up Republican passion for the midterm elections.

I told drivl once before and I will say it again. The top issue of the 2006 election was Iraq. It was basically the only issue of the election. Considering the immigration bill was brought up in the summer of 2007, I'm absolutely flabbergasted how you are able to draw a connection to the 2006 elections.

You see, as the Republican ‘brand name' gets more tarnished, the party is shrinking.

Considering Congress has an even lower approval rating than the President, I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion. Perhaps the only people hated more than Bush in the nation are Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and John Murtha.

You are probably referring to party ID polls however. You would be correct in pointing out that the lead Republicans had over Democrats in people IDing with their party has evaporated. What you fail to point out is that these polls are largely a joke. They sway as much as Presidential approval polls. In 2001 more people actually identified themselves as Democrats. From 2002 to 2005, more people identified themselves as Republicans. By 2006 we were back to more people identifying themselves as Democrats. Good luck keeping the numbers exactly as they are by 2008. History shows that these numbers will fluctuate.

The bottom line is that Republicans think that America will no longer be a majority white country.

I don't want to get banned so I will stick with PG only language. Perhaps if I keep repeating it enough, you will begin to understand my point. I have no problem with legal immigration. I have a problem with illegal immigration. There is a difference. This has nothing to do with skin color. An illegal from Canada is as repugnant as an illegal from Mexico.

Again, Republicans, relax. Consult your history books: every time a large-scale immigrant influx has occurred in this country there has been this same spastic, convulsively bigoted reaction. When Italians came en masse in the late 19th and early 20th century, everyone was terrified of their hand-talking, their spicy meat-a-balls, and gravity defying mustaches.

Again, consult your history books. Your article is about illegal immigration. This was legal immigration. Please stop blurring the line. There is a difference.

Look, I'm not faulting you for your natural inclination towards prejudice.

Fine, I'll say it. You, sir, are an asshole. I am basing my opinion on your personality and not your skin color. Considering my parents came over to this country legally and from the Middle East, I really resent this article stating that only southern white people are Republicans and that they hate anyone that isn't white.

Prejudice is found inside an individual. You will not find it in a political party unless we are talking extremes like the KKK. How often does it have to be brought up that Robert Byrd was a former member of the KKK? If I go by your sweeping generalizations, I must conclude that all Democrats must be racist assholes then, right? This is surely not the case. Quit with your garbage generalizations about the Republican party and its hatred of certain skin colors. Written on 18/8/07
Spot on as usual sir.

This part: I told drivl once before and I will say it again. The top issue of the 2006 election was Iraq. It was basically the only issue of the election.

True, and we would have held our majorities in 2006 if not for two words: Foley and Macaca. Written on 18/8/07
Just so you guys know, John Olliver said that a Republican district representative in Alabama tired to outlaw rooftop man on pumpkin sex...

Now I don't know about u guys, but Halloween is fast approaching, and Ive just finished greasing my shingles Written on 19/8/07
The Communist utopia known as Madison, WI, just passed a resolution calling for the impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney. It's a good thing they aren't wasting their time on issues they actually have the power to change.

Then of course there is San Francisco's battle against bottled water to save the environment.

You'll get stupid policymakers wherever you go. Written on 19/8/07
What about the words Delay, Cunningham, and Iraq? Just to scratch the surface. Written on 21/8/07
Wow, you've got those Republican talking points down.

A few things:

'You people look to Europe when it's convenient.' You're right stupid, we do point out when our European allies have good ideas. However, Europe (France in particular) has shitty immigration laws, which is why I said from the start that America has always been best at accepting newcomers into its folds. It occurs to me that the majority of Republicans actually want an immigration system that resembles that of many European countries. You know what that makes you? Stupid and intellectually dishonest.

I'm not condoning illegal immigration or saying that it isn't a problem that should be dealth with. All I'm saying is that it's not the hair-on-fire, piss-your-pants-with-rage issue that many Republicans make it out to be.

'Considering Congress has an even lower approval rating than the President, I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion.' Wow, you either know very little about political science or are just a Republican parrot spitting talking points. My hunch is the latter, but I won't prejudge. Comparing the poll numbers of an individual with the poll numbers of a 400+ legislative body is pointless. Congress polls lower because of several factors. First, Dems are pissed off at the Democratic majority because they have failed to end the war. Democrats are also disgusted by Congressional Republicans. Republicans are pissed off about Congress' failure to act on immigration. Republicans of course also hate the Democratic leadership/majority. All of that equals lower approval ratings for Congress. And that, children is why it is retarded to compare poll numbers between the President and Congress. If you want a more accurate poll about attitudes towards Congress, you would have to ask poll respondents more specific questions, like 'how do you feel about YOUR representative in Congress.'

You also seem to have an awfully short memory. How do you not remember the huge pro- and anti-immigrant rallies in the spring and summer of 06? Yes, it's true that the issue came to a head in the summer of 07, but it was hardly a non-issue in the midterms. But you're right, it was largely Iraq, another issue on which the majority of Republicans got wrong, that brought the Dems victory in 06.

And for the record, I'm basing my 'generalizations' on the words and behavior of Republican pundits and leadership. What would you call it when they use words like 'horde', 'storming the border', 'the end of America as we know it' (Buchanan) and the 'white male power structure' being toppled? Don't blame me for pointing out that Republicans use race-related scare tactics to make their point to the dumbest portions of the electorate, moron. If you have a problem with that, take it up with your own party, not me.

As for Robert Byrd: Fuck that guy. I'm not going to defend him just because he's a Democrat (nor would I defend ANYONE simply because of their political affilation). Written on 21/8/07
Wow, you either know very little about political science or are just a Republican parrot spitting talking points. My hunch is the latter, but I won't prejudge. Comparing the poll numbers of an individual with the poll numbers of a 400+ legislative body is pointless. Congress polls lower because of several factors. First, Dems are pissed off at the Democratic majority because they have failed to end the war. Democrats are also disgusted by Congressional Republicans. Republicans are pissed off about Congress' failure to act on immigration. Republicans of course also hate the Democratic leadership/majority. All of that equals lower approval ratings for Congress. And that, children is why it is retarded to compare poll numbers between the President and Congress.

Why does CNN pay people like James Carville, and ABC's George Stephanopoulus, when brilliant minds can be had right here on the internet? I mean in ten simple sentences, you were able to spin reality into Democrat talking points without lifting a finger! Truly remarkable. It's funny when you libs sit there and mention brainwashing and facts, and then go on to dispute everything that might reflect a figment of reality. Written on 21/8/07
OK, what EXACTLY are you taking issue with? It's easy to say I'm spinning without any evidence or logic to back it up. Well done. Written on 22/8/07
I'd be willing to bet you individual congressmen and the president himself pay attention to the poll numbers between himself and Congress. It lets them know if they have the political capital to push forth their agenda. Right now neither has any political capital since BOTH numbers are so low. We are just about in lame duck mode. Good luck trying to convince anyone with real political science knowledge (obviously this does not include me!) that presidential and congressional poll numbers mean nothing.

On to the next point: You are quoting Patrick Fucking Buchanan as a mouthpiece for the Republican party? Shall I take Al Sharpton or Michael Moore to be the Democratic mouthpiece? The answer is of course no. The Buchanans, Moores, and Sharptons of the world are extremists that speak for only a handful of people. Written on 21/8/07
"There is a legal path to citizenship in this country. There's no reason we should stand for people who wish to skip their place in line."

Exactly - if you don't follow the rules, expect to get deported, discriminated against etc. So, Bodero - I agree.

The UK is creaking under the weight of support all of the 'asylum seekers' and their extended family and their extend family's family.

I only wish in the UK we had enough bollocks to assess each Asylum case and then toss out immediately those that don't fit.

As for purely illegal immigration - send them back. 1st class on the nicest airline you can find. Massively cheaper than what it costs us as the tax base.

As for the illegal immigration in the USA, you have my sympathies. I suggest a 10 metre wall on your southern border. Written on 20/8/07
As for purely illegal immigration - send them back. 1st class on the nicest airline you can find. Massively cheaper than what it costs us as the tax base.

Strangely, France's newly elected President Sarkozy had this same idea. Never thought I'd be agreeing with France, but a new era has been ushered in...

God Bless, my friend. Written on 21/8/07
As someone who went through the legal process to immigrate to the U.S., I can vouch for the fact that it's not easy and not cheap. Climbing a wall, slipping a border or overstaying a non-immigrant visa would be oh-so-easy.

However, it's against the law. I'd have no working, traveling or social privileges. I'd be screwing over the society in which I wanted to live.

People are bitching that in July, the fees to become a U.S. Permanent Resident rose from around $900 to $2000 (if you apply for your travel and work permits while you wait for your adjustment of status). At first I agreed, but then I thought, "Quite a few of these people who are complaining have flat screen TVs, car audio systems, etc that cost $2000. What would you rather spend your money doing?"

The worst thing about the immigration process is not so much the process itself but how complicated it is made to look before one begins. The list of tasks look insurmountable, and I believe this is done on purpose to put people off applying. This said, I completed my immigration without using a god-awful, expensive lawyer, so it can't be that hard.

Written on 20/8/07
I can vouch for the fact that it's not easy

It's not easy to work your ass off, start a business with your talents and experiences, provide for your family and retire comfortably at an early age either. Bottom feeders that take the easy way out in a life of crime to support themselves (or their families) are no different than the illegal immigrants that do this either. It's no wonder that the libs who are for 'rehabilitation' and go soft on criminals are the same that are soft on these illegals. Written on 21/8/07
The "not easy" bit I was talking about was the "oh my God, I don't speak lawyerese and am almost certainly messing this up" that you go through if you don't use an attorney... although I'm much better versed in immigration-speak now.

July's increased fees are also going to be hard to meet (I applied before they went up) and I imagine that people who make good money will have to put their fees on credit, as opposed to sucking it up and withdrawing from the checking account. But yeah, we put our flat screens on credit, so I guess we can value our immigration as much as we do our HDTV. Written on 22/8/07
Mexico is not the problem. it's those god damn Canadians. They have been lying in wait for 200 years, learning our language, tempting us with their delicious highly alcoholic beer and funny talking slutty women. Yea, I'll rue the day that those lesser American- wannabees come south armed with hockey sticks and beaver traps looking to spread their godless grizzly bear pseudo-europeanism on my block. God damn heathens. I'll take a down on his luck Mexican covered in sewer shit who'll work his fingers to the bone to send 10 dollars a month via western union back to feed his family over a Canadian whore any day of the week. Fucking Canadians. Written on 20/8/07
Do you have a newsletter to which i could subscribe? Written on 21/8/07
It's hard to make the case that illegals are doing anything but coming here to work, raise their families, and drive around with thirty people to a pick-up truck. You know, American Dream stuff.

I'll let the New York Times give you a description of one of the illegal immigrants that killed a bunch of college kids execution style in Newark, NJ: "Jose Lachira Carranza, charged in the Newark killings, is an illegal immigrant who had previously been arrested three times." Written on 20/8/07
Did he kill the kids because he was an illegal immigrant? Prove that, and then I'll consider illegal immigrants as a danger to society. Written on 20/8/07
Everybody knows the ONLY reason Mexicans come over the border is to kill a few suburban white kids. Duh! Written on 21/8/07
well said. Written on 21/8/07
No you retard, this is not a hard concept to understand, however apologists like you and Geraldo try to make it that way:

If they were not in this country, the crime would not have occurred. That's why we have an immigration process, to weed out bottom feeding scum like this. Written on 21/8/07
Way to misunderstand the point of what I was trying to convey. Mister Spicer's statement is that it is inconceivable to think that illegal immigrants come over here for anything other than the quintessential American Dream. I have made multiple examples that indicate there are SOME (note I am not saying all now) illegals who come to America, commit multiple crimes, and somehow are able to stay to commit even more crimes. These individuals do not come here to work hard to provide for their families.

I also have a hard time understanding your point about Carranza and his illegal immigrant status. Lets use common logic now: but for his illegal entry into the United States, the Newark kids would not be killed. What is so difficult about that?

All illegals are not a danger to society in the sense that they murder people. Even I will agree that very few illegals will go this far. They do, however, provide a drain on the taxpayer and promote civil disobedience by blatantly disregarding the law. Written on 21/8/07
So what exactly are you suggesting? Illegals are coming here to kill us? Thank you for proving my point. To hear a conservative tell it, every time a violent crime is committed in this country, it is now perpetrated by an illegal immigrant. Consult YOUR history books (Sacco & Vanzetti anyone?). Written on 21/8/07
Please read above. You are taking my comments and blatantly blowing them out of proportion. Read my last line for reasons why I do not favor ILLEGAL immigration.

I'm going to have to once again call you a moron for failing to distinguish between legal immigration and illegal immigration. How many times have I called you on this and you still fail to make any type of distinction? Consult YOUR history book. You will notice Sacco and Vanzetti are described as immigrants. There is no illegal in front of the word immigrant. They were also avowed anarchists. Written on 21/8/07
I've decided to make this its own post for clarity's sake.

In the original post you claimed that it is hard to conceive that illegal immigrants would come to the United States for anything other than to live a full life.

In response, I provide examples to show that some (I'll repeat that - SOME. A minority. A few.) illegal immigrants come to America and commit multiple crimes. These are hardly good people that want to live the American Dream.

Your response has somehow perverted my comments to say that illegals only come here to kill all US citizens. This is not what I said and you damn well know that. Written on 21/8/07
For god's sake don't blame the teletubbies on Australia! We're responsible for the Wiggles and Crocodile Hunter, not the teletubbies, which were the result of a bad acid trip at the BBC (BRITISH Broadcasting Authority. Written on 21/8/07
Since when has the word authority started with a C? Just wondering... Written on 21/8/07
Cheerfully withdrawn. My apologies to my Aussie reader(s). Written on 21/8/07
Out of curiosity, aren't most of you illegal immigrants? I don't recall the American Indians allowing you to stay here, and lets face it. You guys were a hell of a lot nastier to the American Indians, than anything the republican party comes up with to describe the Mexicans. Written on 21/8/07
What a moronic, insulting argument. By that flawed logic, we're all immigrants and the only real natives are the dinosaurs. Listen - a conquering nation gets to claim the property. If the indians could have beaten us, then they could still claim it's their land. If the Mexicans want to fight for the land between Mexico and Canada, I say: bring it on. Written on 21/8/07
No no no. We evolved from small mammals who evolved from the fish that decided to hang out outside the water. Native Americans descended from these mammals, so they have a valid claim to the land. Europeans did not descend, nor evolve from native Americans, so they have no claim to the land. Written on 22/8/07
Abridged: Might makes right. Fuck you. Written on 22/8/07
I don't recall the American Indians allowing you to stay here,


Wow... so my history books lied, as did many historians and, in fact Native Americans. They DID allow us to stay. We just got an expansionist mindset. Native Americans were tribal societies. They weren't unified under one flag or banner, so not all native Americans let us stay, but there were those who did - unfortunately we got them sick and killed them brutally later one. Written on 25/8/07
when i was 6 i woke up to a dream with a indians face getting holes and i would try to touch the sheets on my bed thinking it was his face and saying why in 6 year old tongue while i lay confusing in my bed. Years later i believe we're just repeating MRSA . . right Written on 1/12/07
You've just got to love liberal democrat rhetoric..... I wrote an article about illegal immigration... about three months ago (I think). If you like I can drudge it up.

I respect your opinion on the matter, but that's all it is. The opinion is laced with hints of alleged "right-racism" (which is typically what the left likes to make an issue of, not the right), and a very light approach to what is indeed a very serious problem.


Granted, the right didn't really make it an issue when it needed to be... except in the 20's, 40's and 80's (hell, immigration reforms were happening in the 1800's). Do I agree that it isn't a "piss my pants" kind of thing? Yeah, kind of, not so much (it's a bigger deal than I think you comprehend).

Oh... and might I suggest comparing immigration laws between the US, Canada and Mexico. You'll find the Mexicans don't want anyone other than Mexican in their country (so much so that if you do immigrate legally you're a second class citizen). Also note that no where in any US document does it say that the US border will, are, and must always be open to everyone. That "New Colossus" bullshit isn't an official invite, it was a commissioned poem doesn't prior to the completion of the Statue of Liberty and was written as an expression as to what it meant to the author...
Written on 21/8/07
can you all do something useful for once? stop being pseudos. Written on 22/8/07
would you care to.. I dunno... both quantify and qualify that statement? Even a little? Written on 22/8/07
I didn't get it, either. Pseudos? Is that the new fratboy slang for poseurs? Written on 22/8/07
I'm guessing it is... I've never liked frat boys. No matter what time period you find them, they're pretty gay. Written on 25/8/07
How I love America you get the conservative republican who makes most conservatives in the UK look liberal!!!
How come you always seem to get the two extremes bating eeach other and very few people who seem to take the middle ground debating anywhere as ferociously?

I read in one of these 3 topics about how EU was great for moving between countries etc if your an EU resident wanting to work. This isn't the exact truth if you are from one of the rich western countries then it's easy. If you are from the poorer eastern countries then a lot of the countries have quotas and only skilled people etc. UK was the exception for Poland but even they have introduced quotas for the newer eastern european countires.

As for money leaving the country this has happened with a lot of UK£50 no longer in circulation. Thoughts are that the Polish are sending them back to people at home.

As for immigration I have no problem with it if they are working but in the UK we need to look at ourselves and the number of single mothers who are on benefits etc that are draining the economy more than immingrants on benefits.
For example i have a friend who has 4 children and is a qualified nurse. She is better off staying on benefits than going back to work as a nurse.
She volunteers as a class room assistant now but seems such a waste of a skilled professional that the need to
bring in more nurses from abroad.
No one (I think) has mentioned the damage we are doing to these countries that we give visas to, asia are losing nurses and Drs at a phenominal rate. We purely do it for the good of our own economy and needs what about the larger picture and making the whole world a more equal place to live rather than increasing the poverty gap
Written on 23/8/07
No one (I think) has mentioned the damage we are doing to these countries that we give visas to, asia are losing nurses and Drs at a phenominal rate.


Countries like New Zealand, although FAR from third-world, see a lot of their educated citizen